[00:00:00] Sara: Ba ba ba, ba ba ba, ba ba ba, ba
[00:00:09] Cameron: ba ba. All right, so, good morning.
[00:00:15] Sara: Good
[00:00:16] Cameron: morning. And, we are doing your favorite thing. We’re going to be going to your family. Yeah!
[00:00:23] Sara: You
[00:00:24] Cameron: thought I was going to say, record video and sound of us, huh? Yeah. you Well, we are going to do an update. So why don’t we go ahead and just start off by, from your perspective, what are some of the biggest changes that have occurred since last year?
Uh, well,
[00:00:50] Sara: my life, you know, started school in
[00:00:56] Cameron: October and also
[00:01:20] Sara: when I, when I was talking to the gal that was signing me up. I didn’t want to go into debt for my degree, but I already have a degree. So she said that they have this foundation where if I work at KFC for six or more hours a week, I can get my tuition, everything else paid for. So I was like, well, I’ll do that.
So I immediately went and got a job in September.
[00:01:48] Cameron: Tell them about the sign.
[00:01:51] Sara: So the, when I went up to the door, it said, um, Um, now hiring, and it, it’s, it crossed out eleven herbs and spices and said eleven serras. So, when I went in to, to ask for a job, basically, cause I’d already put in an online application.
The next light turned off. Um, the online application didn’t get any response for a week or two. So, I just went in, and I said, hey, I want to I get a job here and the manager, whose name was also Sarah, interviewed me on the spot and gave me the job right there and then. So, I’ve been working at KFC for, since September.
Uh, I enjoy it. It’s fun. I, I work during the day when my kids are at school. Um, so I don’t have a lot of mom guilt.
[00:02:53] Cameron: And you’re, uh, and you, so you’re, you started. And you’re going to school.
[00:03:01] Sara: Weddings are over, so that’s nice.
[00:03:03] Cameron: Yeah, let’s give them a summary of that. So, in August, our number two daughter, Mary, we’ll use anybody’s name who’s over 18, um, she married, uh, a fella named Reese, and it was amazing.
It was so awesome. It
[00:03:25] Sara: was
[00:03:25] Cameron: awesome. Best day ever. Of my life, which was strange because I love being married, but our wedding day wasn’t anything compared to that. That was, that was amazing. Yeah, it was, it was awful. And then, um, and maybe we’ll share why later, but then, uh, a week after that, our number one daughter, Elizabeth, married a fella named Eli.
And then, uh, a few months after that, our number three daughter, Anna, married a fella named
[00:04:08] Sara: Connor. And that was Christmas. So yeah. And
[00:04:21] Cameron: it, uh, we learned a lot and it was, it was such a blessing to have all three get married at the same time, from my perspective.
[00:04:33] Sara: Yeah, they all live in the same apartment complex, which is awesome. So they have each other.
[00:04:40] Cameron: Yeah, two next door and then one below.
[00:04:46] Sara: It’s pretty cool.
[00:04:48] Cameron: So we went from 10 of us to 13 of us and it’s no longer easy to do the percentages when we’re missing people. Uh, cause
[00:04:58] Sara: it’s a prime number. Yeah.
[00:05:00] Cameron: Yeah. So I love that. Thanks. I’m so pleased that you know that it’s a prime number. That helps my heart. So that was, I think, Oh, thanks. And then Sarah and I, we have been, we’ve known each other now for 28 years, eight
[00:05:21] Sara: years as of February 11th, which I totally forgot about.
[00:05:28] Cameron: I didn’t. I’m a romantic. I, I’m sappy that way,
[00:05:33] Sara: forget your own birthday, so,
[00:05:34] Cameron: well, there’s nothing romantic about my birthday. But, and then our first date was 28 years ago today, if you don’t go by date because of leap years and stuff, because it was on a Saturday, but 28 years ago, Valentine’s Day was on a Saturday.
So if you go by the date 28 years ago yesterday, if you don’t go by the date, uh, 28 years ago today, if you go by weeks, so. So, and what, uh, in the 28 years, what do you think has been the, the best part about being married? Um,
[00:06:27] Sara: wow. The best part about being married? There’s a lot of,
um, someone to, I mean I could talk about eternal marriage and all that stuff, which is a blessing, but, but just in this life,
[00:06:51] Cameron: Yeah, let’s, let’s limit it to immortality. What’s the best thing about being married?
[00:06:57] Sara: I always have you make me feel safe and secure and like, as long as I have you, I have everything I need.
[00:07:14] Cameron: Oh, thank you. You know, for me, um, I think, uh, I think I, marriage, it’s almost as if I was designed to be married because it, it is so satisfying to have somebody. to, to hold me accountable, to comfort me when I’m having a hard time for me to serve. Um, a lot of what I do, I do because I want to make your life better, easier, funner, more enjoyable, et cetera.
And where my natural instinct, my, the natural part of my being, my personality would be to become one with it. With the couch and so I get a lot more fulfillment because I’m doing things I normally wouldn’t do.
We’re going to give everyone instructions on how to get to our sister’s house. So yeah, I think the companionship is probably one of those parts that I just love and adore as well. What about, uh, what’s been the biggest? Um,
[00:08:44] Sara: well, I think looking at it as a whole, the biggest hardship as an assistant is fate.
I discussed this because I’m,
[00:08:55] Sara: like,
[00:08:56] Sara: I’m busy doing
a lot of my own things and I, so it’s like not my focus. Yeah. And I’m all for it, but I’m also, I don’t know, I just feel like I’m on the sidelines cheering everybody on that’s working on stuff and I don’t really know, haven’t really figured out my purpose in it besides being part of a family and
[00:09:34] Cameron: Do you feel like you’re handling the finances?
[00:09:38] Sara: No.
[00:09:39] Cameron: Okay. Because originally when we decided to start, I was like, I don’t want to start another business.
[00:09:44] Sara: Yes. I do. I do feel like I’m the liaison to help you do the finances.
[00:09:50] Cameron: Which I think, I hear, and I can hear just fine, um, I think is a fairly large blessing. Um, cause I, I do not enjoy the bookkeeping aspect, the accounting aspect, the tax prep aspect of running a business.
I do. I don’t like it. I don’t like collecting money and I don’t like having to reconcile. So when, uh, when Sarah’s involved, Oh,
[00:10:33] Sara: this is like an ice rink.
[00:10:34] Cameron: It is an ice rink. And look at all those. I gotcha.
[00:10:41] Sara: Look at all those. What?
[00:10:44] Cameron: The tracks that went clear over the edge and onto the, Sidewalk and lot. Yeah, it is.
We’ll just slow down a lot. The car behind us didn’t make it. Must be new to
[00:11:03] Sara: white sands.
[00:11:05] Cameron: Yeah, ice. So,
[00:11:08] Sara: I hope they don’t get too close
[00:11:10] Sara: to us.
[00:11:12] Cameron: Um,
[00:11:13] Sara: this is terrible.
[00:11:15] Cameron: Yeah, it’s okay though, cause I’m
[00:11:19] Sara: driving. You’re a ginormous beast that could kill a child.
[00:11:24] Cameron: It could. if I wasn’t driving so slow and under control.
So we’re good. Deep breaths. So besides driving to your sister’s house, what’s the biggest challenge? No. Um, so I think with the finances, it’s, it might actually be working out pretty good because there’s a lot of stuff that, um, I’ve had to, I’ve been forced to learn over the years that I just know I have the curse of knowledge in my head.
And then, um, and for you, I, it’s like, well, we need to do this thing and you’re like, uh, what’s, what’s the step I need to do before I can do step one? You know, you, you don’t have that background, but by you saying, Hey, this needs to be done. And we ended up doing it together. Yeah. And so that’s a, that’s a win for me.
And it’s a win for you because it gets done.
[00:12:33] Sara: I feel like it’s working out great.
[00:12:36] Cameron: Okay.
[00:12:37] Sara: I, I’m, I just feel a little bit of guilt because I was like, I’ll do it. I volunteer. And then I went a totally different direct my life.
[00:12:48] Cameron: Peter volunteers. Yeah. And instead you’re going to school full time working outside the home for the first time.
Have you ever worked outside the home since you’ve had babies?
The most we’ve done, let’s see. He just said
[00:13:07] Sara: that we could pull in.
[00:13:10] Cameron: Okay, I’ll do that. The most that, uh, you’ve, you’ve done as far as work goes has always been in the home, whether that was taking care of the elderly gentleman. We can say his name, he’s dead. Yeah. Mike. Or, uh, teaching cello lessons. Yep. Uh, you sold makeup for a while.
[00:13:33] Sara: I did. And
[00:13:34] Cameron: we’ve tried some other ventures.
[00:13:39] Sara: Yeah, I have to outside of the home since I had babies
[00:13:45] Cameron: and we’re not
[00:13:47] Sara: going to be able to stay in the
[00:13:49] Cameron: driveway. We’re going to park on the street since we’re sliding down. It’s like, remember the time we, Oh,
[00:13:55] Sara: we
[00:13:55] Cameron: had a paper out. That was outside the home. Yeah, but
[00:13:58] Sara: we took Elizabeth with
[00:14:00] Cameron: us.
That’s true. Oh my goodness. But I, that, uh, so the people who don’t understand why we got all excited as we started saying, Sliding down the person’s driveway with our, while the car was in park, we had
[00:14:17] Sara: at least
[00:14:19] Cameron: in the treasure Valley. In fact, they used, they subsidized the paper out cause they couldn’t keep anybody to do it.
And we took it on.
[00:14:30] Sara: During the winter, and one side of the street was this way, and the other side of the street was this way, and we had to do doorstep deliveries.
[00:14:40] Cameron: Yep.
[00:14:40] Sara: And there was no way of getting up to some people’s houses because the roads were so icy.
[00:14:48] Cameron: And what was, uh, sometimes, one time, uh, actually it happened multiple times, but, uh, we, it would get rain.
And this was just, just in the foothills of Boise Valley. So Boise Valley, uh, it stays warm down below cause you get inversions and, um, anyway, it, it doesn’t matter all the science stuff, but it’s really cool. Uh, you just get a little bit up and rain that would come down, would hit the ground and then freeze.
And in these neighborhoods, the, the, uh, the Freezing rain would break the traction underneath the people’s car and it would, so you’d have cars that were parked safely on the roadside or in driveways and they would just be scattered around the neighborhood at the bottom of things. And uh, yeah, so it was pretty intense and we just experienced that point into their driveway.
We, we parked, took my foot off the brake and we just kind of sat there. The stars line down the driveway. So it is pretty icy. Now we’re headed to a movie. Do you
[00:16:01] Sara: know how to get out
[00:16:03] Cameron: of here? Nope. No clue. Actually, I think I’m just going to
[00:16:07] Sara: take us to the movies. What do you think you’re
[00:16:11] Cameron: going to do? I’m just going to follow the subdivision on out.
I’m not going to turn around.
So um, let’s talk about Connect and Conquer some more.
[00:16:26] Sara: Okay.
[00:16:28] Cameron: What are some of the successes that you felt like, hey, this was good or this is awesome or this is wonderful?
[00:16:36] Sara: Um, I’m excited about the app being useful and it’s getting there and it’s, you know, that’s exciting to see the progress on that.
The fact that when we do release content we get quite a few people looking at it is miraculous. You’re going faster on this corner.
[00:17:06] Cameron: And just so everyone who’s watching, I’m going 12 miles an hour.
[00:17:10] Sara: It’s
[00:17:17] Cameron: okay though. I understand you get, uh, that that’s an anxiety thing.
[00:17:22] Sara: It is. And the roads look like ice. Well,
[00:17:27] Cameron: when you say they look like ice, they are, in fact, 12
[00:17:31] Sara: hours, 12 miles an hour. It’s not, it’s fast enough that we’re going to spin out in this vehicle.
I’m going
[00:17:42] Cameron: to let that guy miss us.
[00:17:50] Sara: Anyway, I’m neck to conquer. I’m excited to, uh, I actually went to, uh, an event recently called Connection is the Cure, and we, my sister and I played our instruments for the dinner that they had that was for people that were speaking to the group that funds it. And it was an interesting experience because there was a guy.
There’s a guy there who had, um, from Hawaii and he had a presentation. He’s actually gone, gone back to school to become a social worker or a counselor. Because he wants to help people. Because his son took his own life when he was 23 years old. And it affected him so badly that he ended up having to go through rehab.
Rehab for suicide ideation. And, you know, he, he went through it and he wanted to be there until he knew for sure that he had all the tools that he needed to be okay and to be able to support his family and be, be there, um, for them. And when he was going through that deep depression, he couldn’t be, he, he could not be there.
So he wanted to make sure that he was 100 percent before he stopped working the program. Um, his story was really inspiring and he goes around to all sorts of places telling it, um, just to give people hope that they can recover from these horrible situations that we find ourselves in. And you know, it’s more common than not to have a great loss Um, especially since the pandemic, it’s, you know, either loss from severe illness or loss from suicide or what other, whatever.
Uh, it just seems like since we’ve experienced that loss, there’s just a lot of people coming out of the woodwork that, you know, you just don’t know. You don’t know until you know. And that’s why I think Connect and Conquer is so important, so that people know that there are others like them and that they can recover.
And that they don’t have to experience the pain and anguish that they’re having forever. And know that there is hope of living a good and happy life. And I am watching a family member go through that right now. They just don’t see any hope. They see nothing of hope. And it’s really hard to convey to someone who’s hopeless that there is hope.
Um,
It’s hard to do it on your own. And it takes, in my opinion, it takes an army of people. People who’ve been through similar situations, people who can say, I was there and now I’m not. Um, cause you know, I can relate only so much because I haven’t lost a child. Um, and I, you know, I can’t say that, well, hey, buck up.
Life is gonna get better. Because I have no idea what that experience is like. Yeah. But I know there are people around the world that do, and that have recovered from that experience and that can give hope to those that are still in process. Yeah.
[00:22:05] Cameron: One of the people that helped, uh, helped me back when we were going through things and we had the, the notes written and the plans.
Starting to take place where the Hansons and you know, and it was neat on one hand because they were like, Hey, and even if the worst of the worst happens, there’s recovery, there is atonement, there’s, there’s, um, making whole again. And, uh, that, well, it’s like, well, That’s not reassuring, it did, it did help, um, help me get past that, um, that overwhelming sense of dread of, well, when I realized there was absolutely nothing I could do to prevent it.
You know, we hospitalized him like five times in a year, and even then there were occasions where we weren’t, it was, it would have been impossible for us Um, I to be quick enough or right there and it had, had it not been, you know, just by the grace of God, you know, he would have been, his life would have been over in mortality.
So realizing that, okay, well I recognize there’s, there’s nothing I can do to prevent it from a hundred percent from happening, but then having them share that it’s awful and terrible and it stays with you forever, but there is healing. That does take place that, that was helpful for me. I don’t know if that was helpful for you.
[00:24:00] Sara: Definitely. And I think having them as mentors through this experience not, was not only helpful for my family because one of the things that, um, was really difficult was that was the third year right? And the, and it seems like. It’s like, you know, the third year in your head should be easier than the first year.
[00:24:36] Cameron: Yeah, it should be.
[00:24:38] Sara: But when I talked to Sister Hanson about it, she said, no, the third year was the hardest for us. And I was like, why? Tell me why it was the hardest, because I need to know this so that I can share it. And she said that everyone has moved on. Nobody asks about it anymore. Uh, they, it’s not even in their thoughts for most people that you are associating with, that some people that you’re associating with, they don’t even know that it happened.
So, life has moved on to the point where it’s no longer about this situation, it’s, but you’re still, it’s 100 percent about the situation for you.
[00:25:30] Cameron: Yup.
[00:25:31] Sara: And the fact that The fact that everyone else is just living life, and you’re in it, you’re in the yuck and the mire and the muck for that third year is just depressing because you realize that, or you think that you’re never going to move on like everyone else has.
[00:25:54] Sara: Yeah.
[00:25:55] Sara: And that made a lot of sense. Because yeah, you know, probably not as many texts saying, Hey, thinking about you today, not as many words of, of, you know, sorrow and sorry that you’re suffering. And it’s more of. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You know, sorry. And, you know, Makes sense to me why the third year would be the hardest.
Yeah. Not sure what’s different about the fourth year. Yep,
[00:26:29] Cameron: I’m with you there. The, uh, You know, the other part of that is the guilt. If you start to get over it, it almost feels like you shouldn’t. And, you know, this year, for us, thinking about our nephew, um, I’m still not over it. Yeah. But I don’t, I don’t bring it up to the kids, cause I didn’t want to, you know, if they had moved on, and they weren’t thinking about it anymore, I didn’t want to be the one to pull them back down, you know?
[00:27:09] Sara: Right. Or assault them.
[00:27:10] Cameron: Yeah. And yet, then, they They, they were having hard times and we have several kids who, uh, during the month of February, while I celebrate the month of February, Sarah, what was it that you said about February? The, the month that we met and had our first date? I
[00:27:28] Sara: meant that it’s the worst month of the year.
[00:27:30] Cameron: Yeah. So, others in our family also were, uh, uh, suffering and not, not actually knowing why And I remember bringing it up with one of them and saying, Hey, you know, this is your, this is not unusual for you to have this yuck feeling during this time of the year. This is the, you know, this is the time that tragedy struck and this is where, uh, injury occurred and you were, you, you were hurt and by putting a name on it, I think it actually allowed them to
[00:28:14] Sara: feel it.
Yeah,
[00:28:16] Cameron: to, to look at it and go, okay, yes, this is what I’m feeling. This is a reasonable reason, which sometimes there aren’t any reasonable reasons. It’s a chemical thing, you know, but if there’s a, if you can name it, man, it sure does help for you, you know, to then slay it. And one of the things I know Harry Potter’s not meant to have a whole lot of truth in it, but there’s a whole lot of truth in that, um, that if you.
If you’re scared to use the enemy’s name, it’s going to be really difficult to conquer. And so, anyway. Yeah,
[00:28:59] Sara: and I saw a quote, just a,
I saw a quote that said, If
[00:29:12] Sara: there was no love, there would be no. Basically, the reason we have grief is
we don’t necessarily understand it.
And it’s magic, and wants to go through it, or talk about it, or face it. But it, uh, I really. I really do believe that it affects our bodies, it affects our minds, it affects everything, our spirits.
It’s, it’s stored.
The day that I lost my mom, and the day that we lost Jacob, and those things are all super close together, and it’s just this, it’s a heavy, just kind of dampens the brightness of life. Makes it really difficult to move. It’s
also a sign that I’ve loved, and that’s not a bad thing. It’s stored.
[00:30:39] Cameron: Alright, so I, I do want to share the best comment from our YouTube channel that we had last year. And I forget the user’s name, and I’m going to get the quote somewhat correct. But it was, um, we were talking about a fence in one of our videos, and the comment was, If you get offended, you’re not good at understanding.
Ah! And I love that. I adore that quote. So, thank you for the comments. And, uh, keep them coming. Uh, and then one last thing before we go in. Uh, we had some good things health wise. And do you feel comfortable sharing outcomes? Sure. Okay. So
[00:31:29] Sara: Do you want to share or do you want me to?
[00:31:31] Cameron: I’ll share. Okay. So, um, Sarah’s mom passed away of, uh, breast cancer that metastasized to And she passed away in February, right?
It was February? February 3rd. February 3rd. So nothing good happens in February as long as you don’t think about our start of our relationship. But, uh, anyway, so on, was it your mom’s birthday or was it on?
[00:31:59] Sara: It was on February 3rd. I got scheduled my biopsies. Yeah. So they
[00:32:07] Cameron: found some masses. Um, and, but the great news is that they were benign and that’s a, that’s a huge blessing and that also happened in February.
[00:32:19] Sara: Yes, it did.
[00:32:20] Cameron: So, phew, so not all, not, not always one sided with, uh, February.
Alright, is there anything else you’d like to share about the past year or since the start of Connect and Conquer?
[00:32:39] Sara: That I can think of.
[00:32:40] Cameron: Alright, thank you everyone for the support and the well wishes. And, um, I’ll give an update on where the app is, uh, right now.
All right. So here’s the update on the app. Um, the right now it takes a lot of work to set up the game and I think that’s how it’s going to be for snapshot capture. It’s always going to be trying to get people to organize it and then join it. Uh, once that part is done, it’s fairly straightforward. on the actual usage.
My, um, the next mode, uh, which is in testing right now, we got through all the testing for snapshot capture with the new things. Um, so that’s good and it’s working. Now we just need to have snapshot events work. And for those of you who don’t know, this is how we’re going to be paying for a lot of the things we are doing.
So at any event, you can have. The event host, vendors, and attendees, and it will help connect the attendees with the vendors, and they can offer prizes. And the idea is that you incentivize them to come to your booth to take, uh, and take a selfie of your booth. So it’s kind of fun. And, uh, it pretty much based on our experience when we went to Rexburg.
Uh, what was it called, sir? Uh, Experience Rexburg. Rexburg or was it something else? Okay. Yeah. So experience Rexburg, they had, Oh, I don’t know, a hundred different vendors there. I went around and I was asking them what type of connection they were able to get with their, uh, the people coming to their booth.
And it was all just brand recognition. Uh, and I said, Oh, okay. You know, that’s interesting. Do you ever follow up with your customers? Like, nah. And I asked them if it would be valuable for them to be able to, Some of them were like, not really, which I was like, well, why do you pay for this? But, um, uh, then others were like, oh yeah.
And I asked them if, what they would do for it. And that’s where Snapshot Events came into play, came out of that. Cause we did a scavenger hunt and, uh, I think we had like seven. people, uh, complete the scavenger hunts.
Okay. I, it was a prime number, so it was probably seven or 11. It was probably 11. So not that I’m fascinated with prime numbers.
Um, anyway, so the current state is we are testing a snapshot events. Uh, it was supposed to be through the testing phase at the end of January, but, uh, I’m not as. good of a developer as Sherry is. So, uh, she knows the software inside and out. So, uh, Sonny and I both agree that we miss, uh, Sherry and, uh, it would not, the app would not have gotten to where it’s at without sharing Kyle’s support and their dedication and their sacrifice.
So tip of the hat to both of them. And that is where the app is. Should I answer it? Is there anything I left out in the update? What
[00:36:34] Sara: were you going
[00:36:38] Sara: to say?
[00:36:41] Cameron: Should I? Yeah, I think so.
[00:36:50] Sara: I mean, what’s
[00:36:55] Cameron: the new date?
Vendor side. And so Sonny had never, uh, he never coded for that cause it didn’t exist in Figma. It looks like it was deleted cause there’s normally it says there is no screen for this view. But, uh, in this case it’s just blank. So I had to add game ID and vendor ID depending on who was logged in, uh, to the main, uh, return.
And so Sonny just accepted that, said it was correct. And now he’s writing the thing so that the vendor can create the prizes and the vendor can create the menus. So that’s that I expect to have an update on Monday and we’ll start testing again and I’m sure we’ll find some other issues, but that was a fairly major issue that we found during testing.
So I would say probably by the end of February.
[00:38:06] Sara: Okay.
[00:38:07] Cameron: We should be done with all the testing.
[00:38:08] Sara: That’s great.
[00:38:09] Cameron: Yeah.
[00:38:10] Sara: Maybe February we’ll have some more positives.
[00:38:13] Cameron: That’s right. The positives of February. Yeah. In fact, I think that might be the title for this, uh,
[00:38:22] Sara: positives of February.
[00:38:23] Cameron: Yeah. For this podcast. Okay.
So we’ve given an update generally our family update. Things are, um, the, are those of our kids who are over the age of 18 Elizabeth got married. Mary got married. Hannah got married, Hyatt is serving a full time service mission, and then we have our younger four that are not 18, and we got a musical theater production that’s coming up I think next week, right?
And that’s been occupying our 17 year olds. Wow, she’s 17.
That’s true. Our service missionary is helping with the musical.
I’m going down the line, yeah, so 17 year old is heavily involved in that, 15 year old is trying to figure out, we’re trying to adjust some things lifestyle wise, um, 10 and 8 year olds. Anything to update there? I know that they both got an award recently, like risk taker or something like that, and then something else.
Uh, whoops.
[00:39:50] Sara: Don’t suppose
[00:39:51] Cameron: to use names. Huh? We have a winner. Waited
[00:39:56] Sara: 10-year-old got,
[00:40:07] Cameron: oh, maybe I was wrong. I thought the 8-year-old got the award and then the 10-year-old said, oh, ah, I got that one. I’ve gotten that one. You got it backward. I got it backwards. Oh, well
[00:40:23] Sara: they’ve been doing good in this month. They can’t wait February to be over.
[00:40:28] Cameron: Yeah. What, what do you think they’re gonna switch to
[00:40:31] Sara: something besides the kitchen.
[00:40:33] Cameron: That’s fun. All right, well, thanks again for all the comments We, we’ve. Appreciate them and read them, and uh, appreciate the support. Y’all have a great rest of your week, day, month, depending on when you listen to this podcast
[00:40:51] Sara: that we’re having this fall.
Bye.